Navigating the Waves of Spirituality: Our Relationship With God

Embarking on a spiritual journey can often feel like navigating an ocean of questions and uncertainties. Sarah and I, Hannah, invite you to join us as we reunite for a heartfelt conversation about the evolution of our spiritual relationships, the significance of personal boundaries, and the search for a spiritual community that nurtures our growth. Our candid discussion takes you through our transformative experiences with spirituality, inspired by my recent visit to a non-denominational church, prompting reflections on our changing relationship with God and spiritual practices that have shaped our paths.

Childhood impressions of spirituality often leave indelible marks that shape our adult beliefs and practices. Together, Sarah and I unpack memories of conformity within traditional religious settings and share the liberation we found in questioning and revising those early teachings. We traverse from the pews of United Methodist services to inclusive meditation meetups, weaving stories of how the moral blueprints of our upbringing have morphed across generations. Through our personal narratives, we examine the importance of finding a spiritual community that mirrors our own evolving beliefs and the impact these communities have in supporting our spiritual quests.

In the tapestry of life, the threads of religion and spirituality intertwine uniquely for each of us. Our conversation leads you through our individual paths—from Sarah's transition from atheism to spirituality amidst cultural skepticism, to my own structured upbringing in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints—highlighting moments of inner conflict and the journey toward a personal understanding of God as a universal energy of love. We introduce the idea of 'Christ consciousness' and reflect on how redefining God has influenced our relationships and offered us peace. As we share our journeys, we extend a warm invitation for you to be gentle with yourself as you navigate your own spiritual evolution.


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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

What is up? Ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back to Mindfully Moody. I'm Sarah. I'm here with Hannah, my best friend, my co-host, and it's been a minute since we've been together recording. I'm feeling grateful to be here, happy to be here and excited to just flow into another episode and just have a conversation about things that have been really on our minds, on our hearts, as we always do. We always got to bring the authenticity. We can't ever show up and be fake. You know what?

Speaker 2: 0:38

I mean no, no, we can't. And just to drive into that, yesterday we were supposed to record and I was like I'm just not feeling it. Also, I thank you, thank you for that. I was like, of course I don't want to show up fake, I don't want to show up like in not in authenticity, and I needed that. I'm so happy that we didn't record yesterday, because I was just, you know, you know, sometimes you just get in that sad girl vibes and it's just, you gotta honor yourself, you gotta honor yourself.

Speaker 1: 1:08

That's, yeah, a message to everyone out there, like honor yourself and what you need. It's so nice, like even I have a friend, danielle, who's been on the podcast a few times that um is in Naples right now and it's like, literally, we'll have a plan, you know. And then it's like day of like one of us isn't feeling it and like having like friendships that just like allow you to flow, yeah in and out.

Speaker 1: 1:36

Of like not having strict obligations, like because I could say, oh, tomorrow, like I feel like going out for drinks and then I could have a long day, and like I don't feel like going out for drinks at all, I actually need to rest, yeah, so yeah, yeah, and I think, like even me yesterday, like it's like always, constantly like regulating your, my nervous system, because like so the old pattern is to like feel guilty or like oh.

Speaker 2: 2:01

I'm disappointing her or like I'm inconveniencing her, but it's like no, like my friend is like loving and honoring that, like I need that space and like that that's how you know you have a good friend. When they're like, I get it like take that time for yourself because, like, why would we want to force it? Like I don't want you to be in a forcing energy, I don't want you to have to do something that you don't want to do, like so I love you and appreciate you for that and helping me honor that and creating that space.

Speaker 1: 2:25

Of course I love you too, and yeah, it's just. It's interesting because I feel like as you deepen on a path of growth, of knowing yourself, like these kind of things open up, like you become more understanding of yourself. Therefore, you become more understanding of others and the world around you and you just don't feel as much desire to force desire. Like you know, when you bring people together, when you have an experience, you want to be in that energy that is fun and joyful and playful yes, don't force it.

Speaker 2: 3:06

Um, okay, you guys, we are having an interesting topic today.

Speaker 2: 3:10

I went to church on Sunday I don't know if I told you that, um, and yeah, I just told Sarah like I think that we should have a conversation about, like, where we're currently at with God and our relationship with God. Um, you know, I think that as we get older, as we grow, as we learn, as we are farther along on our spiritual journey, our relationship with God, or our creator, evolves as well. And yeah, I just wanted to like have this open conversation to kind of like talk about like where our relationship was in the past with God, or even like what it is that we believe in, who we believe in, like maybe our journey with it in the past and how we've come to have a closer relationship with. You know, source energy, and yeah, because I want to just like even see where you have been at with it. So, yeah, I don't know, where do you think we should start?

Speaker 1: 4:09

Wait. So you went to church. Like what kind of church?

Speaker 2: 4:12

Yeah, it felt so good. So my friend Anissa was like, hey, you want to go to whatever this church. And I ended up starting to do some research and like there was just there's this Facebook group called Austinin conscious community and I just went and researched like different churches in the area and it's just like non, non-denominational, like spiritual church, it's called church unity, I think.

Speaker 1: 4:34

Oh yeah yeah, there's one. I feel like there's one all over you mentioned it, yeah, recently.

Speaker 2: 4:39

So it where it's like they they don't really like push, like Jesus necessarily, but like they were like referencing, like Ram Dass and like Marianne Williamson, I think, or like different, like people, like names that are like in the spiritual community.

Speaker 2: 4:55

And like it was just, a really like nice lesson, like not focused on like Jesus died on the cross for you, but more focused on like how we can use prayer in our everyday life, like going on a nature walk. You can have a channel through doing prayer Right, and like I just really liked the message that it was not so focused like on the Bible and it was focused on just like spirituality and like becoming just a better person overall, a better human. Um, it was definitely filled with a lot of old people, so I don't know. Me and my friend are like testing out different churches, like to see like kind of what resonates and maybe I'll like go through. There's this one called Red Rocks in Austin that I've been to before and it's like it is like a mega church but like there's a lot of young, hot people there.

Speaker 1: 5:38

So as mega churches go. You know like I feel like it's always young, hot people that are posting about that um, but yeah, it was.

Speaker 2: 5:49

It was a good experience. It made me feel so good like just to go in community and like have a lesson on Sunday morning, and it brought me back a lot to like you know, things that I did love about going to church when I was younger with my family and like just feeling like in unity and feeling connections of spirit. And I think I'm gonna start going regularly, like I don't know, every Sunday. I'm not gonna stay like super committed, but like when I'm feeling it, when I feel like I need a little like love or just, you know, want to start my week off right, like, yeah, it felt really good that's beautiful.

Speaker 1: 6:22

The event that I went to, the spiritual event like the, that that was like a day long. I think I told you about it. That was at the Unity location in Naples.

Speaker 2: 6:33

Look at us. Okay, can we stop with our freaking shit Like why are we doing the same? We don't have to stop, but we are always on the same same.

Speaker 1: 6:42

I know I love it. It's funny, but we are always on the same same. I know I love it, it's funny, but it wasn't like a service. It was like there was a group that was utilizing the property for this like day long retreat thing, but oh yeah, sorry, one more thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Like they do like and it's cool because, like I don't know if they do this where you're at, but like I went to and did like Joe Dispenza meditation, so I actually had been to this church before. It was like a Joe Dispenza meet up.

Speaker 1: 7:14

Oh, I remember you told me about that.

Speaker 2: 7:16

Yeah, yeah, and like they do like meditation groups on Wednesdays, so it's like more like our spirituality, which is really cool like our spirituality, which is really cool.

Speaker 1: 7:28

Yeah, they have that in Naples too, at the one, like they have. You know, they do breath work there, they have meditation circles, things like that, but it's definitely an older crowd for sure. I think that unity has been around quite a long time, so I think it is like you know, attracts that kind of older, older crowd for sure. Um, but yeah, I love this topic. I'm like, let me, I don't even, I don't even know where I'm totally at with it, honestly, so I guess we're about to unpack it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:56

Yeah, let's unpack it. Should we start like back Like I don't know, maybe like what we experienced growing up in terms of religion?

Speaker 1: 8:04

Yeah, yeah, sure, I'll start. So I as a child went to church decently often. My mom was a Sunday school teacher and I would go, you know, do Sunday school when I was really young and then go to like service or whatever. My dad never went to church with us my whole life, like he never came, not one. I don't think even on a holiday he would come, trying to think back, like we would go on like Easter or Christmas or something. I don't even think he would come then Maybe, like maybe a few times.

Speaker 1: 8:47

And it was a United Methodist church in my hometown and it definitely really really shaped my negative opinion for a long time about organized religion and God, the concept of God. I think it drove me to, like you know, want to not believe in any higher power because I didn't feel I never felt comfortable there, you know. So, like um, even when I was young I mean I just remember being like why, why am I here? Type of feeling like I was I was not as involved as maybe the other kids were and I tried to go to, like my mom would like send me on a few um trips, like church trips, you know like we would go to like different places, like overnight and things, and like I never fit in.

Speaker 1: 9:44

I literally never fit in with the people you know. There were like all the like little subgroups of friends and like I just never fit in there. And there a lot of my other family members went to this church too, like my grandmother, my cousins, my aunts, like they. They went as well. So one of my older cousins, amyy, she would like take me on something. She was like 15 years older than me so she was like more in like the adult you know kind of group. But then like some weird things happened with like as they do in church, with like the leader of the youth group was like in a relationship with like some like younger girl and shit you know, as as they do at church.

Speaker 1: 10:23

So that was like a little bit of a ew um. But when I think back, yeah, I feel a lot of sadness about that version of me in church, like when I, when I turned whatever 12 years old, and in United Methodist religion it's like you are um confirmed into the church. You go through like a confirmation and I started to like attend the classes and things and I went to my mom and said I do not want to do this, I'm not interested in doing this.

Speaker 1: 10:58

Like literally at 12 years old, I was like I don't like this, I'm not aligned with this at all, and my brother was in like Catholic school at the time and he had been confirmed into the church but like he didn't believe any of it, like he thought it was all like bullshit as well, and like I saw him go through that. You know he's a lot older than me and what's really interesting is that my mom just recently told me, actually when we were at unity, that like she literally never like believed any of it and like wow, like literally took me there because she thought she like had to wow, to like be a good parent and to like show me and my brother what it was like to have a connection to god yeah, I think a lot of parents do that right.

Speaker 2: 11:43

They want to instill like some basic principles of how to be a good person and especially, I'm sure, like our parents parents probably like religion was like so much more prominent, I think, like back in the day, right, being part like you were part of a church, and so that makes sense. That, like our parents are like this is what's going to make raise a good kid, you know, is teaching them these principles, part like you were part of a church, and so that makes sense. That, like our parents are like this is what's gonna make raise a good kid, you know, is teaching them these principles. But that's crazy. Yeah, she's like I didn't like it either.

Speaker 1: 12:13

Right, like she was a Sunday school teacher, like she was very involved in the church actually. So that really surprised me when she told me that. But I think that she has way more spiritual beliefs than she ever expressed, you know. But she felt like, oh, I need to like, show my kids the Bible and offer this to them you know, and, as my brother and I do did and continue to do. We love to rebel. You aren't going to force us to do anything.

Speaker 2: 12:52

You're like we're out of here, this ain't it.

Speaker 1: 12:54

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Speaker 1: 14:20

Religion did not vibe with me for a very long time. I was not feeling it, I was resisting it, I was like I'm atheist for much of my like, teenage and early adulthood.

Speaker 2: 14:32

Wow, Wow, atheist. I don't know if I knew that.

Speaker 1: 14:39

Yeah, like I was like I don't believe in anything, I don't believe that there is a higher power. Wow, I knew that. Yeah, like I was, like I don't believe in anything, I don't believe that there is a higher power, wow, and you know, I think it was like also kind of like a like time in our lives type of thing, like I don't know. A lot of people were saying that then and I feel like there was like this coolness to it too.

Speaker 1: 14:57

You know, like I don't believe in anything, like I'm just like you know, yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:06

I believe in like science and like evolution.

Speaker 1: 15:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like there was. You know, there was definitely that. I feel like in our generation a lot of people went through that. There was a lot of expression about like I'm sure it's way different in younger generations now because there's just been a rise in consciousness, but that, yeah, no, it was like I don't believe in God, like you know, f god type of vibes, you know, wow, all right, how about you?

Speaker 2: 15:34

my story's like a little bit pretty different, but I was raised in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, otherwise known as Morm, which I think so many people are shocked by that because they're like polygamy.

Speaker 1: 15:50

I was so shocked, for the record, when I first learned this about you For the record.

Speaker 2: 15:56

No, my dad did not have multiple wives. This church does not practice that. That was back in the day and now it's a different church. If you do that, you will get excommunicated from the church. So let me just like give drop that for the church.

Speaker 2: 16:10

Um, but in my mom's all, my mom's whole side, was mormon and then we started going to church like she was married to my dad. But then, like we kind of started going to church church more than I think when I was like maybe 13 or 14, maybe 12. I can't remember where. We started going regularly on Sundays and like we would get like the lessons and the Mormon church has missionaries, so like they go and like they visit people's homes and like that was like a big part of like my middle school and high school was like the missionaries coming over and it was actually like a fun thing, like because there were like these young guys like going and teaching the book of mormon, like they were usually like cute and so like they would come over.

Speaker 2: 16:48

We would have the missionaries over like every like tuesday or something and they like they would come to dinner and we would play games outside with our whole family and then they would like teach us a lesson. So like I kind of like really liked that. Like I was always like a little bit of a follower of my mom and my sister was more of like the rebellion. I was like my mom says I should do this, so I should so, but I like didn't love going. You know, it was kind of always like dragging my feet like, oh, do we have to go to church? Like my mom would be like, oh, should we skip church today?

Speaker 2: 17:14

you know, and I'm like, yeah, let's skip it. But in the end I feel like it did teach me a lot of good things. Like I would go to girls camp and I would go to like dances, like I was honestly like pretty, pretty religious, like after middle school and like to high school, and then it all went downhill. Um, but I would go, yeah, to girls camp. I would go to like church dances, like go on church trips, like I would go and like do baptisms at the temple, wow.

Speaker 1: 17:44

I don't even think.

Speaker 2: 17:45

I knew that that's so crazy, yeah, to think about. I even was in seminary. So seminary is where you go and like do basically bible, bible study before school. So I would go from six to seven in the morning and like go to like our teacher's house and my mom would be driving me there in the snow, like literally six in the morning and like I would go and like study with a group of kids and then go to school. I think I did that, maybe like one year, two years. You're like shocked, I am.

Speaker 1: 18:12

I'm like, what did Brie no?

Speaker 2: 18:17

Um, so I was like pretty, like my mom really wanted me to be, like I got baptized. I think, when I was like maybe 14 or 15, cause, like the Mormon church waits a little bit so you can actually study it. But I don't know, like growing up it was like a good experience. But I think as I got older, like then, I started, like you know, getting kind of into my bad girl era, in in like high school.

Speaker 2: 18:41

As we do as we do and do and like you know more like partying and like whatever, smoking, weed and like kind of like going and drinking. And then I was kind of like the the book, sorry, the Mormon church has like something called the word of wisdom, where it's like you don't drink, you don't smoke, you don't obviously take drugs, like you don't drink tea, caffeine, like, and this was a big difference about the Mormon church, even though the Mormon church is Christian. And I think, like subconsciously, what was happening is like I was kind of more in my party era and I was still sometimes going to church, but then I was like feeling guilty about doing the things that I was doing. And then it was like in my head I was like I'm wrong for doing these things, like this is probably all subconscious too, but I started to develop this thing where I'm like I'm a bad person because I'm doing these things that they say I shouldn't do, because that's gonna make me kind of like a quote-unquote bad person.

Speaker 2: 19:36

And in college, like I really like was kind of went to that spectrum of like screw church, like I don't know what I believe in anymore, like you know, because I think I was forced in it.

Speaker 2: 19:48

But all in all, I'm grateful that I was raised in that because I feel like it did teach me like lessons and like taught me like people. I'm like these people are such nice human beings, like people in the Mormon church A lot of people are, but but and it just taught me, I think, like foundations of like how to be a good person. But they're so I like will never like trash the church. I think that they do a lot of amazing things for the world. Just not like the specifics, like the rules around religion. Like I just don't like so, like love that for people who follow that, but like you know, for what I like to do is like take what resonates and like leave what doesn't, and like I had to come to a point where I'm like I don't have to feel guilt about these things that I'm doing and this path that I'm going down, even though I'm probably making some unhealthy decisions at the time.

Speaker 1: 20:38

Wow.

Speaker 2: 20:38

Yeah, yeah, I'm like super grateful that. Like in my experience, I'm really grateful that my mom like did that, because there were a lot of good moments that I experienced, like being raised in a church too.

Speaker 1: 20:53

Yeah, it's so interesting. I mean, people just have such different experiences, you know, and that's why spirituality and religion, belief in higher power, it's so individual yeah what each person experiences and believes and is just so different and it doesn't make anyone right or anyone wrong and I always like I definitely that's a healed Sarah point of view, because old Sarah did not think that yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:24

Yeah, you know, but who I am now, how I've evolved, is like, yeah, your experience, my experience, you know Becky's on the streets experience, Like we're all, we're all just experiencing whatever came up for us in our lives. So, um, I am also like kind of laughing because I'm thinking about those videos on TikTok of like what's the, what's the Mormon? Um college called BYU. Yeah, do you see those videos?

Speaker 2: 21:59

where they like go up. I was really gonna go, like I applied, like I was gonna go to byu hawaii, like I didn't get in, you would have been kicked out like let's be real, my life would have been so different. My mom's like go to byu, like I literally applied that's hilarious my life would have been or something wow cute.

Speaker 1: 22:21

I'm like thinking of those tiktoks. You know what I'm, you see those right of like would you rather have?

Speaker 2: 22:27

have a sip of alcohol or like it's literally some insane, insane thing, or it's like call, call your mom and tell her you got a girl pregnant, like this, all one, and she's like what she's like abort it and like that's like you don't say that in the church because they're like very against that yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:48

No, there's been some crazy ones like literally like have a sip of alcohol or you know the entire, everyone you know, dies, like they literally go like really freaking crazy and people are like, yeah, it's gonna have to be everyone I know sorry yeah, like it's so black and white, like, and and that's just reflecting, like the rules, what you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 23:12

You know, like I think that that's what drove me away from religion as well was, like organized religion is like this idea of if you do this, you do wrong, you're sinning, you're going to hell. I don't, yeah, I don't. It's like I don't necessarily believe, I don't really know actually what I feel about hell. Let me just be completely real. I don't, I don't think that like I am going to hell or someone is going to hell. I don't believe in heaven and hell as they are talked about in the Bible, but like.

Speaker 1: 23:44

I also do believe, like in the devil, so I don't really know what my full opinion is on that. And also I just want to say that's okay and don't let anyone pressure you into like answering what your full beliefs are. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah 100%. Because, like we are evolving, we are a a work in progress. That's actually where I'm at right now. I'm like I don't have everything fully crystallized of what I believe yeah, yeah, I think like the 10 commandments.

Speaker 2: 24:14

My mom and I were just talking about this. It's like if, if you can like live by the 10 commandments. It's like I, I feel like it's good for society to have religion. So we're like trying to be good people, right, like okay, I just like looked them up. Like thou shalt not steal, I'm like.

Speaker 1: 24:31

I have no idea what they are. I literally went to church for 13 years.

Speaker 2: 24:35

Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not kill, right? So it's like I think it's good that like, yeah, people are like duh, like yeah, don't kill people, like don't cheat on people, like don't steal, but like I think it's good that we have like a guideline as like a human race to try to like follow. But I feel like, end of the day, it's like just try to be a good person. You know what I mean, and if you're doing your best, really think that there's like I don't know, dude, I don't know, it's so interesting. What is hell? We are on hell right now. I feel like this is hell. Oh, like what's going on in the world? I was going to?

Speaker 1: 25:12

say I mean, create heaven on earth, baby. But I feel like religion has just's. So it's so sad actually, like if you think back to like jesus as someone that existed on this earth plane at at some point, you know, and like that he channeled. What he did was channel just like any of us have the power to channel, because I'm anti-guru, so that already puts me out of like organized religion or like the bible, because it's like God is superior and we are all just his followers, you know.

Speaker 1: 25:54

But like Jesus's words were so have been taken so far out of context, have had human beings like paint their insecurities and hatred and all these things around. This is what Jesus believed. It's like you don't even know what Jesus believed because you've taken it so far out of context. You know a lot of big spiritual voices say things like this, like Eckhart Tolle and like people of that type you know like say it has been taken so far out of context, but the truth of what he actually did and believed in is truth. You know. Like it, there was a lot of truth in that. But as human beings we've just misconstrued everything to serve ourselves and our beliefs.

Speaker 2: 26:46

Yeah, power for different people in the world or different leaders to gain power over different groups of people. Yeah, yeah, I'm like we're just having a real light conversation over here today. Yeah, we are we?

Speaker 1: 27:06

we are, yeah. I mean, if I think about my belief now in God or whatever you want to call it, I actually can use the word God now. I didn't for a long time use the word God, or I felt uncomfortable when I used the word God. I think that's totally normal when you've gone through phases in your life where you've shifted out of religion or out of what the large collective believes about who God is.

Speaker 1: 27:38

For me, it's so much different than like the Bible paints God. You know, I mean, I'm not a follower of the Bible at all, but I believe that this universal power, god I do not think it is a person like you know. It's painted like there's a man up in the sky who's like okay, let me come and meddle in your little lives and decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. It's like for me, god is an energy that we all internally can access. Internally can access that. We have the ability to access that pure energy. It is just an energetic frequency of pure, unconditional love.

Speaker 1: 28:35

To me is what god is, and I think that how that interacts in different people's lives is meant to be different. We're not all meant to have the same beliefs. So, like now you know, that's why I can have an acceptance of you, know what you believe about God and what a stranger believes about God and what I believe about God, because I don't think that, like, we are all supposed to morph and believe the same vision necessarily. But I think that people like Jesus, people like you know Buddha, like other leaders that are really you know whatever other gods, top gods in other religions, accessed Christ consciousness and that we can access that too. And isn't that actually more exciting and inviting that we can call that energy to us, because we are a part of that energy. God created us, so we are one. So that's kind of where my beliefs are at this moment about what god is yeah, well said, very well said.

Speaker 2: 29:51

I find it difficult to even explain like what I think god is, because it's like I mean even over the last year I feel like it's. I went from saying kind of like universe and source and like now I've started to say God more because I'm starting to resonate with it more. But I also think people like to like, see and think about a real human, to like right, to make it like more real, like Jesus or like I don't know, buddha or whatever, like powerful religious leaders. But yeah, for me it's like, I agree, it's like I think of it as like an energy, but I kind of do. It's not like I see it as a guy in the sky, sky daddy, if you will, but I do see it like as like an overall presence.

Speaker 2: 30:41

Like God is like an overall presence of some sort. I don't have a face or anything, but it's just like an energy that I feel I can call on that for everything in life and like exactly that's just pure love. And like God that knows my path and already has seen my life play out, it's just me having a relationship with this energetic being that creates that sense of peace and clarity and calmness and love in my life when I am feeling confused or down or depressed or unsure. I think, as my relationship has evolved, it's having that resource to go to, when I'm feeling something and like to call on or to pray or to trust in.

Speaker 2: 31:31

I mean, there's so much, there's so much you know to receive answers from like, to channel from Like that's.

Speaker 2: 31:37

It's cool how, like we've learned about spirituality, intuition and stuff and like how now for me it's looping into, like my intuition is like a lot coming from god, but also my higher self, um, so for me it's just like, yeah, god is in everything, like every single thing that's created on this earth, in this uh, universe, in this galaxy, like is all from.

Speaker 2: 32:05

And I think just being able to like quiet myself and like meditate and like slow down and like hear my own thoughts and my voice, it's like allowed me to strengthen my relationship and feel the spirit like truly within me to know that it is true, this is getting, this is getting very religious over spiritual here, but it's just like it's beautiful.

Speaker 2: 32:26

It's so beautiful and I'm like so grateful that I've been on this journey and it's really cool because my mom and I, like you know, in the past we were kind of like I had that energy of like you know, I don't know if I believe in God, you know back in college and stuff, and so to return back to this state and like for me and her to have conversations about religion, about spirituality, about God, and we are saying the same thing, we're praying to the same person, we're having the same conversations and we're getting each other so much more.

Speaker 2: 32:56

And, like my heart just is so happy to be at this place, because I understand her, I see where she's coming from now, about religion and all of this stuff, and like for me to have my own lens that like makes sense to me too, and like to bring that like grounded peace into my life by having a relationship is just like yeah, it's beautiful. And like I'm excited to see where it evolves too, because it allows you to have like faith, you know faith in the future, trust in like the life that you're given and that, like God has a plan for you.

Speaker 1: 33:31

You know, that's so beautiful about you and your mom, you know, and getting to have that sacred connection about something that you both have a lot of love for and a lot of trust in yeah, even if maybe it shows up a different ways sometimes, you know, but it's like there's just that mutual understanding that you both have such pure intentions about it and that's what you're putting out to the world is really beautiful. I think that for me, like God, a big, a big piece that maybe differentiates, like my beliefs, from other people's, is that God feels internal to me versus like external, like it's something that I access internally. I don't need to go anywhere to access it because it's not outside of me. It's like that's the creator thing of like there is a co-creation, I'm co-creating my life with God and I can access God whenever I need, wherever I need, and there's a lot of freedom in that. There's a lot of what's the right way to say it, like it. Just that feels very elevating to me. So it's really interesting to reflect on the journey of all of the shifts that it's had in our lives and, gosh, if I think about even five, six, seven, eight years ago, like I would have never expected that I would be where I am today with my relationship to spirituality and God, you know. But I'm so grateful too and I think that it will continue to evolve.

Speaker 1: 35:27

I think that that's so normal, you know, in my mind. Like these rules that religion puts on you, like of, oh, you know you should not sin, or whatever, like that's not even really a thing in my mind, like I don't really believe in that. I think that people live the way that they live and God, the universe, loves you, no matter what, no matter what. There is, like you know, nothing that you could do that would super disalign you with God. That's thought of in like traditional sin, unless it's like with really, really negative intentions, and there's, you know, that's a whole nother thing. But I would just leave the message of people to like being kind to yourself if you've had a challenging past with religion, and like knowing that you know it's okay to evolve, it's okay to change how you, what you believe in, who you believe in, how you access God, how you access your, your own inner compass, you know so.

Speaker 2: 36:39

Yeah, yeah. And like we, we accept whatever it is that each of you believe and believe that that is true for you. Like I think that is the biggest thing. Like whatever resonates with your heart, whatever religion, whatever God, like that you feel connected to, like we honor that, feel connected to like, we honor that, and I think that's beautiful for all of us to have this journey to evolve and build a relationship. Maybe we lose the relationship, maybe we, you know, there are things that pull us away from it, but, like, it's all for a reason and I can't wait to like look back on this episode in five years and see how our relationship continues to to evolve with religion and God and higher power.

Speaker 1: 37:25

I know, I know it's crazy. It will continue to evolve, and that's what's beautiful about life.

Speaker 2: 37:37

We just let it flow. I love evolving.

Speaker 1: 37:38

Yes.

Speaker 2: 37:39

Thank you, let it flow, babies.

Speaker 1: 37:41

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Speaker 2: 38:07

We love you, love you, bye.